Yelling

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I'm sure we've talked about loud vocal stimming before, but lately Wyatt has been a little out of control, literally shouting out random sounds to the point where our eardrums are ringing.  We try to tell him "quiet voice" "shhhh!" and "quiet!!!"  We try whispering and lowering our voices.  We try putting our finger over his lips for a second.  (He just imitates us and then resumes shouting).  We try distracting him.  That actually works sometimes.  An edible distraction with a "chill pill" in it works the best, but I hate to resort to that--but of course the later it gets the louder Wyatt gets and I really don't want to have ringing ears and pissed off neighbors.  Still, it is good for Wyatt to get to sleep at a reasonable hour so I don't have to send him to school not-quite-awake with his breakfast in a bag.


We teach kids to blow their

Perz's picture

We teach kids to blow their noses into a kleenex, right? How about first teaching Wyatt to shout into a kleenex or hankie or some other "muffle" to reduce the loudness of the noise and then work on "fading" or "extincting" the behavior alltogether?

That's a pretty good idea,

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That's a pretty good idea, but... Wyatt does put his fingers over his mouth in imitation of me but he still yells. I had hoped he would take the hint and NOT yell--his fingers don't do much to muffle the sound. Although, I worry about others encouraging W to put something over his mouth/nose--like the hankie suggestion-- (wouldn't want him to accidentally suffocate). An actual gag (as in tying a bandana tightly over the mouth) is considered abuse.

I've been told that verbal stims are virtually impossible to correct because there is something about it that is so reinforcing to the verbal stimmer. I didn't mind verbal stims so much because they were generally happy noises. It's only lately that Wyatt has started to hurt our ears. I suppose this is a sort of parent abuse. Legally, we can't gag our child, but we CAN medicate him. I suppose another thing we could do is attempt to soundproof our spare bedroom. The problem would be that Wyatt would not like being contained. Do you think the noise canceling headphone idea would help in this case?

Ok, here is another crazy

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Ok, here is another crazy idea for ya.
How about having him yell or scream in a tube? Try empty papertoweling or toilet paper tube? It shouldn't be as lound and makes a neat muffled sound? Like I said, crazy idea! But he would still be able to stim and do it somewhat peacefully.

                      Shawn 

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I like it!

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I like it!

If you teach him to hold a

Perz's picture

If you teach him to hold a hanky or other small muffler to his own mouth before screaming, trust me, he can't accidentally suffocate himself. If he holds it there too long, his hand will naturally fall away from his face long before he completely loses consciousness. That's why I suggested it that way rather than, say, teaching him to bury his own head in a pillow :D

I would be sure to teach him by getting him just to imitate you holding something to your own face - as opposed to you holding the hanky in front of his face or tying a gag on him (which is abuse as you say). If you encourage him always do it for himself just as you encourage him to blow his own nose, you can also reinforce the idea that people may put things to their own mouths, but he should never try to force something in someone else's mouth or put something over another person's face.

I told Marc about this idea

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I told Marc about this idea and he wants to try it.

LOL, you are so funny!

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LOL, you are so funny! Thanks 4 the clarification!

Awe gee, I thought I was

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Awe gee, I thought I was being super serious ;D :D

It's too bad y'all cant get

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It's too bad y'all cant get a house. There's no way we could live in a condo setting as loud as
Marcel gets.

We probably could get a

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We probably could get a house, but at this point and in this economy, it's safer and less of a financial leap to keep what we've got. Still, the new flooring is a step in the direction of eventually selling. We have a pretty good relationship with the neighbors--they are very understanding about Wyatt, really. Also, we really like having access to the heated swimming pools.

I know, move to Tx and be

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I know, move to Tx and be our neighbors! That way Wyatt & Marcel could grow up together =)

what a lovely thought!

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what a lovely thought!